Free Updates

Let us tell you when new posts are added!

Email:

Navigation

Categories

Search

Archives

<October 2008>
SunMonTueWedThuFriSat
2829301234
567891011
12131415161718
19202122232425
2627282930311
2345678

More Links










 Wednesday, July 25, 2007
Star Co., minor league and Starting Lineup card counterfeiting ring from 2005 resurfaces
Posted by Steve

example1.jpgexample2.jpgexample6.jpg














In an article in Sports Collectors Digest from August 12, 2005, we wrote about a counterfeiting ring that we uncovered that focused on Star Co., minor league baseball cards, SLU cards from all sports and other stuff that isn't readily available to compare the fake ones to. I recently found some cards on eBay that appear to be from the same batch of fakes.

The counterfeiters took real cards and rebuild the fonts around the card, while using the original photos, which meant most collectors couldn't identify them as fakes because just a couple of subtle font issues or boldness would be off, and they had trouble locating a real one to compare it to.

I found the Star Co. cards on eBay and knew there was something wrong immediately. These type of cards don't exist in quantity yet the seller was putting 2-5 of them per month up for sale. I also found a thread on the PSA message boards about a fake Ripken minor league card...same seller...bigboydsportscards3.

example3.jpgHere are a couple examples of the fakes (Example 1 was purchased from the seller). First, a 1984-85 Star Jordan Rookie of the Year #288. If you are familiar with these cards, they always have very little right border and a lot of left border. This one has a ton of right border and very little left, which never happens. I also confirmed this with Star Co. expert Steve Taft. Also, if you look in the SCD article from 2005, the apostrophe on the "Star '85" is consistent with the counterfeit (Example 7 below, with the real one on the left and the fake on the right).

Another surefire fake is the 1984-85 Star All Rookie Jordan (2 of example4.jpg11). Once again, the apostrophe is consistent with the fake. Examples 2 and 3 are images of a card purchased from the seller. Example 4 is a closeup of the top right corner on a real Star Jordan, while Example 5 is a closeup of the fake. While the seller doesn't scan the backs of the cards (for good reason), it's not that tough from the fronts to see they are fakes due to the smaller type size and apostrophe in "Star '85".

Another fake card that is easy to spot is the 1984-85 John Stockton #235 (Example 6, purchased from the seller). Every single real one comes with narrow borders, while every one they have for sale has nice, thick borders on a perfectly centered card. The borders on the fake pictured above are far thicker than the borders on legitimate versions.

example5.jpgJudging from the hoards of other rare Star Co. cards and Starting Lineup cards they have, it's fairly easy to become suspicious of someone who has these quantities of very rare cards, not to mention that all four cards we looked at are fakes. Four cards. All fakes. All identical to the examples we uncovered in a counterfeit ring from two years ago. All from the only seller on eBay offering this type of inventory. We've made multiple purchases from bigboydsportscards3 (Examples 1, 2, 3 and 6) and we've confirmed that all are fakes. You will also notice that none of these examples in question ever winds up graded in a GAI case (the only grading company that grades Star Co.) because they are fake. I guess 46,000 positive feedbacks on eBay doesn't always equate to a legitimate seller.

example7.jpg


7/25/2007 4:06:47 PM (Eastern Daylight Time, UTC-04:00)  #  Comments [4]
7/27/2007 6:28:57 PM (Eastern Daylight Time, UTC-04:00)
Good info Steve. Thanks for the visuals.
Dave
8/14/2007 6:54:01 PM (Eastern Daylight Time, UTC-04:00)
Great work Steve.

Unfortunately I also purchased a Star Co. card (85-86 Jordan) from bigboydsportscards3 and waited 6 months before I sent it to GAI. You can imagine my disgust when it came back fake. bigboydsportscards3 would not refund my money and has avoided further follow up emails.

Please keep us posted on any new developments with these fake Star Co. cards.

8/15/2007 5:21:04 PM (Eastern Daylight Time, UTC-04:00)
Erik,

Sorry to hear about that. His window for a return policy appears to end when you can't leave feedback on ebay anymore or file a chargeback.
8/17/2007 4:58:28 PM (Eastern Daylight Time, UTC-04:00)

Terry may or may not know the STAR COMPANY cards are fakes.

It would certainly look questionable if he admitted that they were fakes and continued to sell them.

I understand the need for return policies and putting stipulations for time frames on returns.There are buyers who try to return damaged items for which they did not purchase insurance and occasionally buyers try to switch items and return a different item to a seller. Some one may speculate on an item and buy a premium Michael Vick signed item but then see the value of said item go down because of "off the field" problems. That is not a good reason for a buyer to come back after the refund period and say to a seller," Uhh, I want my money back."

With that being said, if I had a disgruntled customer that bought something from me and had a reasonable rationale for wanting to return the item, I would not ignore them, even if the return limit had expired. It has to be taken on a case by case basis.

I would listen to what they said and give them the benefit of the doubt. Do the right thing, give a refund and move on. There is enough evidence on these cards that Erik has a reasonable request for a refund, even after the return policy has expired.

Terry should consider a refund in this instance, a refund is NOT an admittance of guilt. The refund is a sign that the seller listens to his customers, values them, and wants them back.

I am not an expert on these STAR CO CARDS but the visual examples layed out make it easy enough for an amateur to decipher what is real and what is very suspicious to be a fake.

If Terry does refund the money for this purchase, I think it would be only fair to acknowledge that in the blog.

Keep us posted Erik.
Dave
Name
E-mail
Home page

Comment (HTML not allowed)  

Enter the code shown (prevents robots):